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Show Notes
Transcript

A predator hiding in plain sight. A deadly stretch of highway. And a man who turned trust into opportunity.

Randall Woodfield wasn’t just another traveler along Interstate 5. He was a former college athlete, charming, calculated, and hiding a violent pattern that would terrorize the Pacific Northwest.

Women disappeared. Survivors told chilling stories. And a trail of brutality stretched from Washington to California.

When investigators finally connected the dots, what they uncovered was far more depraved than anyone imagined. Because this wasn’t just a killer passing through. This was a man hunting.

This week’s cocktail is The Wide Deceiver, bright, smooth, and easy to trust until it burns. Just like the man at the center of this case.

Hosted by Karen McCullar (@realkmcco) and Paula Moore (@pauladescantmoore).

Deadly and Depraved, true crime with a cocktail twist. New episodes every other week.

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Hi there. Welcome back to Deadly and Depraved, where your favorite duo, Karen and Paula, dive into the deepest corners

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of true crime with a drink in hand to make the most twisted just a little easier to swallow. I'm Karen, educator by day, true crime detective by night.

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Always have my lipstick in place.

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You do, Karen. I can't like and and it's usually one specific color. So, it's a Pepto-Bismol pink.

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I'm Paula. I am an HR rebel. I do coaching and executiveness during the day, but Karen and I definitely get

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together at night and I solve mysteries in my designer shoes. So that's right. What are those today?

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Oh, today's are Manolo. So they're like a little bit of my favorite. So thank you for asking.

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Yeah, I love them. Okay. Well, what are we talking about today, Karen?

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Okay, we are talking about the Randall Woodfield case.

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Okay. And you when you hear about this man, he has, as one detective said, he couldn't keep the thing in his pants.

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You will find out later through this podcast just how much he could not keep it in his pants.

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Wait, so a detective said Randall cannot keep this thing in his pants.

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No, because of his flashing women all the time, exposing himself. That's how he got But we'll get to that in just a second.

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Okay. Well, here's the good news. I've never had to call you like after a Bumble date to say the same thing. So,

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thank God. Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. So, since you know we have we have to have our signature pore. So, this is deadly and depraved. And yes,

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you're seeing us in our beautiful selves, not just our voices. Now, let's make our signature cocktail today. The wide deceiver.

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Oh my god, she stole my line. Okay. The w That's the wide deceiver. You're going to understand why, but um you loved my you loved the name of mine. That's why

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you took it. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about our cocktail, Karen. So, I if you don't mind, I'm going to have you help me make a little bit of this. Let me open that.

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Sure. Okay. So, deadly crime sippers,

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you know, you have to have a cocktail to go through our deadly and depraved piece of this. And so, we are starting off Karen with 2 oz of bourbon today.

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We did I did bourbon because what you're going to hear about Randall is he's an all American football player. Wannabe.

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Let me say wannabe. So, you're going to see that's why I pulled the bourbon in.

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Um, then I also want to tell you this season we are gonna have the drinks that are actually drinkable because we know that we've been making terrible drinks.

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So, I'm I promise gas fuel.

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I promise you these are going to be the better drinks. Okay, so now Karen, we're going to move to 1 oz of grapefruit juice.

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And this is because like on top of everything, it's refreshing. It's kind of like it's a little bit like you don't really know it's going to be in there,

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but okay. We're That's kind of what Randall was. Okay.

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add more. You usually do that with the liquor, not just the grape juice. Okay.

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Next, we're going to have 5 oz of honey. And honey is because I promise you, he's not a honey to his ladies.

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No, not not in the least.

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No. Like, all right. Little bit of honey. Now, here's what I am going to You're going to laugh like, "All right,

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let me do this. Let me see if I just put in three spoonful." Okay,

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that's I you're I've never made you actually to do this on camera except for usually I know. Okay,

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we're trying something new, ladies and gentlemen.

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Okay, we would like to have some taheen salt. Okay. Okay, let me do yours. Yeah. And then we shake this, right?

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We are going to shake it. Just one more second. No. Now.

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Okay. All right. Now that I have the taheen out, now you can shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake it.

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Remember to keep the top on. Like you forget every time to put it on. Okay. So, you did not forget. Okay. Excellent.

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All right. Does it look good?

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It looks a little bubbly, but Okay. Well, so we will taste.

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I swear this one's good. I promise. I taste I think bourbon with grapefruit wouldn't be too bad. See?

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And then we have to put the little fresh grapefruit on the um So you these are her garnishes you cut.

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I mean I did the best.

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Karen, you did a great job on the garnishes. I'm not sure.

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Okay. So to the wide deceiver that's going to you guys are going. Okay. Or just put it into the everybody like

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that's all there to the wide deceiver to deadly and depraved. You'll see how this actual drink goes through the entire episode today. So, that's right. Cheers,

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Carrie. Cheers.

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Not bad. That salt gives it a little honestly like I mean again, I'm going to tell you this is the first time like I feel like we've actually like made another really good,

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but it creeps up just like Randy does to women and you're going to see this when that was such a good line, Karen. Okay.

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Okay. So, I I know that you're going to laugh at me. I actually think that's one of our best drinks. I think so, too. Okay. Thank you. All right.

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Not that I'm going to drink the whole thing, but I'm going to try.

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All right. So, here we go. I Here's our favorite part. Let's move into the predator. Let Can you talk now that we've kind of made a drink around the wide deceiver? Talk to me a little bit about Randall.

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Okay. Randall Brent Woodfield was born in 1950 in Salem, Oregon. He was 5'10.

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Okay. beautiful curly dark hair. Um 175.

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His father worked for Pacific Northwestern Bell and his mother was a homemaker. Okay. Wait, before you go any further,

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like Pacific Northwestern Bell, like we had southwestern Bell. Is that the same? It's the same, but it's for the Pacific. Okay.

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It's for that part of the country. It's for the western part. Okay. So, um, but what's interesting I found by reading this book is that he didn't have any

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childhood trauma um that most of these perpetrators have. Um, he like there was no abuse, there's no physical abuse,

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verbal abuse or sexual abuse. Like his his two sisters are one's a doctor and one's a lawyer right now. And he's in the I mean he's locked up for 40 years,

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95 years plus the rest of his life. So I I was trying to find like any you always want to know why they do something. Why?

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Why did this person do this? How could they do this?

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But he there is no history of that except when he starts exhibitionism and he starts that in middle school.

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Okay. So wait, so there were no red flags like red flags would be exhibition with him flashing people. Okay. But but coming from his childhood,

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there was nothing that was like eye opening to you. No.

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So he gets into junior high and then what happens?

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So he starts he starts exposing himself to people and he loved to see the expression on their face like pants open.

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Yes. And that happened to me one time when I was a patrol in fifth grade. I was patrolling. I was

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one of those little with the patrol with the orange on and I was having my little flag and this this um station wagon pit

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pit pit comes and this man had his penis just sticking out of his underwear and I'd never seen one before. And I was just a gate. My mouth was and I did the

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one reaction that he wanted to do that he wanted from people.

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So you did the same shock and you're scared and Randall wanted that.

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And if you laughed that would be kind of funny because they would run off but that's just not the MMO for these type of predators.

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Okay. So Randall wanted the same reaction that you were doing like you actually had to go through.

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Yes. Okay. Yes. So it's weird when I read that it came back to me. I was like, "Oh my god, I remember that in fifth grade." And so they wrote a there was a policeman came out and did a case

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about it and all that sort of stuff. I don't think they ever found him. But um there were no consequences for his as

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for his escalating behavior for doing that just like the person that happened. So Right. Right. So um he never got in trouble doing it.

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They they couldn't bust him. But that's end of what happening.

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Okay. So with Randall then no consequences. I think we're going to hear that a lot as we go through the episode, right? Right. We're going to hear like the no consequences actually

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started in junior high, but they're going to keep going. Right.

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So, okay. Then I want to know about because we call this the wide deceiver.

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This is really important to talk about his career. So, do you mind kind of walking us through like what was his college years like and then what was his like how did he get into the NFL?

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Okay. So, he was a drafty for the Green Bay Packers and he made it to the 16th round. Wait, but but that before that

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like he was he a football player in college?

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Okay. He was a football player in college. He was baseball. He was track. Oh my gosh.

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The best at everything. And his the behavior still was going on with him flashing people and stuff, but I think

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the people the police kind of shut it down or because it was such a small town and he was the star, okay, that they didn't

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prosecute him. They kind of kept their eyes closed with the whole thing.

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Okay. So, he actually took this whole exhibitionism into college. He's literally there. He's still in trouble

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with the police and or kind of they're on his he's on his radar, but he's such a star athlete that they want him to go pro and then make their town a very proud town.

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And I think one thing I like you told me was like he joined some kind of Christian Oh my god. Crusades for Christian.

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something like that. So he he had all the right, you know, dotted all the eyes, crossed all the tees about who he was and um but no.

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Okay. So this is this is all of his um college years. Tell tell me about like the NFL then.

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Okay. Well, he gets cut from the NFL and this is where that saying where he couldn't keep the thing in his pants was. Okay. Okay. This is where it started.

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Okay. I just saw you take us in.

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I know because I was like I mean to get through these things with you I got to keep drinking.

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Touche. Yeah. And um he had 10 to 20 other indecent exposure incidents. And Randall did Randy.

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Yes. So he I would say if like a hand I would say he's probably done 75 indecent exposure.

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Exposure. Yes. Okay. And that's when the detective said off the record to Annne Rule who the book that I read this is

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this is based upon had said he couldn't keep the thing in his pants. So that's how he got dismissed.

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Okay. So then why was he why did he not make the team?

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Okay. He didn't make the team. He wasn't that that great. Oh, he wasn't.

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He had very small hands and they said that he used they used him as a tackling dummy instead. But, you know, everybody has excuses why they don't make something or or make the cut. So,

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he wasn't he really just wasn't that that good.

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Okay. So, literally like he's a tackling dummy. This is hilarious. He's exposing himself with very small hands.

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I never thought of that. Yeah.

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All right. All right. So then now now what happens? Like where where do we go from there? Okay. Well, 1975 he moves back to Portland after he's dismissed

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from the um Green Bay Packers. This is when the escalation begins. It's no longer indecent exposure. He is now

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robbing people and he's doing it with a pairing knife.

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Oh my gosh. Okay, so we need to we need to get into the escalation then. All right, so let's talk about that then. So what the police ended up doing is they

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put a decoy operation together in a park because he was accosting women in parks and um using a knife and grabbing their

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money and he wasn't doing the um exposing himself to them. So this expo it always leads to something more

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violent I think because that's sort of the red flag. So if that happens at a young age you that's really when you should nip it in the bud and get them

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into therapy. But um so they set up a decoy and it was a female officer and she was in a park and he they were

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surrounded by cars and they were undercover and she proceeds to come up he proceeds to come up to her and to the decoy to the police woman with a knife.

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Okay.

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And that's how they found that's how he got his first arrest.

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Oh, okay. So this So he was never arrested before for all these indecent exposures. the amount of time he's never arrested. And now the So they knew to set up a decoy.

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Yes. Because there was a lot of robberies in town. Wow. Yeah. And so Way to go. Um Yeah. They knew what they were doing.

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So they set up that decoy and that's um consequently made him go to prison and he was sentenced to 10 years.

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Okay. So the now we've actually escalated to Okay. I I'm understanding now he's literally has been exposing

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himself. Now he's moved to like this robbery, armed robbery. And then and then we ended with Okay,

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he's now he's arrested, right? Okay.

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So, he goes to prison for 10 years and he only serves four. Wow.

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I know. I mean, you could get away with a lot more back then, I guess. I mean,

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this was this was the late 70s, early 80s.

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Well, okay. Well, I mean Karen, like I mean on that I'm I have to tell you I think we need a drink break because like I'm sorry like this is this is a lot going on that you've actually exposed.

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I exposed no pun intended.

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Um so I want to say to the crime sippers about like you know we like to talk about our toaster for the actual victims

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and so today I want to do you I mean I'm I'm gonna I write these out because I'm really passionate about making sure the victims are acknowledged here. We're

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talking about So, I'm going to I'm going to say the toast cuz this is our first drink break.

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Is to the young women who were just trying to build independent lives,

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working night shifts, supporting families, chasing dreams. They had no idea they were being hunted by a predator. No.

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Cheers. Okay.

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Always take a moment for our victims.

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Now, can we talk about them? Cuz this was the most fascinating thing I have ever when Karen and I were doing this

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this preparing for this. She she was explaining all these. The victim number is astounding to me. So, let let's talk through the victims.

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Okay. Well, he didn't get prosecuted for all the victims. There's 44 altogether. I know this.

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And he got convicted only of two I think two of them. two to three. But the first victims we can talk about are um and

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they're all young women in their 20s and 30s and they're all brunette for some reason because like we want let's talk about the type because you said I would definitely be his type.

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Yes, you would. You're I always think you're shorter than 5'4. Aren't you 53? I'm literally five.

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Seriously,

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maybe because you have heels, but I always thought you were 5'3. You're a little shorter than I am. And I'm 5'4.

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Oh Karen, I'm literally I'm taller than you.

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No, this is okay. After this podcast, we are going to figure out his type.

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We'll say head to head like you did in school. We're coming back. Okay.

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Okay. So, let's talk about though. I like when you talk to me about like tell me about his type though real quick cuz like his type is is and they were always younger too. They were always 13 years younger at least.

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So, he was just like a dog in heat going to bars after especially after prison.

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Oh my goodness. He was going up to every woman, saying his undying love to them,

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and girls that were his women that were his age, his peers,

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could see right through him. And it always had to be younger, naive girls. Well, of course.

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Well,

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but that he he knew he could get him that way. So,

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okay. What I liked around this too is I know that 44 there were there were up to 44, but you said the original number

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were at least 60 assaults actually happened.

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So I mean in all of this he's convicted for one, but there's a huge number out there. Oh, there is. And DNA evidence is found.

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That's why he's in prison longer. He's been sentenced over and over to life sentences. But he um Yeah. So tell me how he hunted these

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victims. So before like cuz I we'll get into like their names and everything as you know we always like to make sure that we talk about the victims but tell

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me a little bit about like what was his pattern like? How did he how did he go about finding these young naive women? I besides bars.

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Right. Right. He would go to brightly lit office buildings and make sure women were alone. And okay, the one that he

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got um convicted of um Beth Wilmont and Shie Hall that those are their names and they were two young

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women that were 19 worked for their one of the it was I think it was Shie Hull's father's um janitorial service company

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and they were cleaning and um he comes in there and he did I mean a number on them. He sodomized them.

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I know. Let's we'll talk about that in a minute. I know she loves going to the crime by the way. I have to pull her back. Let me pull her back because we're talking about the hunting grounds

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because the the interesting part about this is why you love this is the book was on Interstate 5, I5, which we talked

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about. Why was that so important for his crimes? Like what was I5 like? Like why why was that so important?

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Well, it was important because everything was on the I5 and it goes all the way from Mexico to Canada. Okay. And every seems like every crime,

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every store he burglarized, every person that he accosted was on the I5.

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Okay. So like I think what I liked was you were saying he could get he could be in Oregon and then drive and he could be in another state

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and like in two two hours and we're in Texas so it takes 12 hours to get to El Paso. So, I mean, these smaller states,

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especially in the Pacific Northwest like that, I mean, they can just And then the jurisdictions are completely different because they're crossing state lines. So, they weren't

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communicating back then like they do now.

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Yeah. I I think I really like this part about you and I talked through the hunting grounds was why he could get away with it, right? Because I think that's that's really important.

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I don't think that happened today. Do you think it would happen today?

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No, it would not happen today because now they communicate over state lines.

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So if he would have gone to Oregon and then actually like two hours later did this if he stood in or stayed in Oregon and did these I think he would have been caught earlier. Okay. For sure.

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Okay. Okay. So now um I always like to say you know we c can we honor the victims in because then I think this is

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the point like let's take our second drink break around I'd like to be able to talk through the victims really quickly because this is where you started to talk about

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Charie and Beth and I think we need to just be able to honor them. So, okay.

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I'd like to then raise our glasses to our victims.

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And you always make fun of me because I say their names wrong. So, I promise I practice this time.

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But you correct me. Okay. To Sharie Heirs. Uhhuh. Sherry Hull. Shihole.

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See, you knew you r I mean that's the way you pronounce it. I apologize for family. Beth Wilmont. Donna Eckard. Janelle Ecker,

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her daughter. Yes. Julie writes,

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"And every woman who trusted the wrong face." So this is to those survivors,

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one that we know that actually changed the whole course of the case. So we're And that was Beth Wilmont. Yes.

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So Beth Wilmont actually changed the whole case because she was the one that was in the office building with Shie Hall. And what consequencely

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consequently happened is that she identified him through a lineup and um his semen was found in her throat

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and he had herpes and she got herpes and so that's how he was caught.

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He was caught.

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Okay. But let's talk about his first known murder. Do you mind like let's jump into like Sure. Sure.

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Yeah. Let's talk about like Sherry errors.

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Okay. Okay. So, why don't you tell tell us a little bit about that because I think this is where like people start to understand he had an entire rape kit. Yeah, he did. Yeah.

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I mean, so Sherry Ays was um his friend in high school and they worked on the

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New Year's not New Year's Eve um class reunion together, their 10-year class reunion. Okay. So, what's interesting, he started he costed all

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these women that he didn't know, but he this is the first time he killed someone that he knows. Can I tell you something about my high school reunion because you know I have to always throw something in

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about me. Um I was voted most changed and so when they went to like but I got voted this and so I grabbed the microphone and I was like I want to

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thank all everyone who's voted for me and they're like you're not prom queen.

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I was like but I just got voted most changed. I mean you're like oh so you're thinking that you're prom queen.

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I was thought I was prom queen at my 10ear high school reunion.

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Those are so fun. I just had my 30th one. Oh my goodness. Oh, wait. Do not tell people that. That's a secret. I know. Keep that on the down part. Okay.

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So, they reconnected. He ends up shoot um shooting her and kills her.

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Oh my gosh. And wait, we just went from knives to guns. Okay. Oh, yeah. He did graduate to guns. Okay.

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Yes. I think in a 32 caliber gun. That's what he would use. And also sh um

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he knew her personally. He knew her personally, but I'm trying to think of the other girl, the other victim's name that he It's okay. We're not We were just talking about the first murder,

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right? So, what I want you to explain to us, though, is the rape kit.

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Well, he would have a band-aid that he would put diagonally on his nose. To think that that if he was ever in a lineup, no one could identify him, which

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is kind of interesting, but I guess it would throw you off a little bit. And he would have We should have brought one today,

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right? To see if that works, right? Um he would have surgical tape, rope,

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restraints. Um and that's what he did with the Janelle um case where the with the young woman, the 13-year-old, and he raped and bound her she and her mother.

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Okay, we're getting to that. Yeah. So,

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basically, he has a steady rape kit already. All right, so now we understand where he starts the murder with a class

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reunion friend. And now how does he get to the next the next murders? Because he this is where he went on a on a spree right on it starts in January.

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The Salem crime. This was in the Transame building. Shie Hall 20 and Beth Wilmont 20. Um they were the best of

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friends and they worked in an office building together and he could see through but didn't I already talk about this?

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He could see them. He could see them in the office building in like a fishbowl.

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You were just talking about the hunting grounds, how like he liked he liked that. Okay, we'll have to edit that out. Okay,

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so he went um to this office. He would drove in his car and he saw through the office building like a fishbowl these

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two women cleaning and um knew that they would be alone. So of course he's like,

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"Okay, they're alone. There's no man around. I can do what I want with them."

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So this is when he um starts to rape them and kills them both. Tries to kill them both. attempted one and then didn't

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kill the other with a 32 caliber. He um sodomizes both of them and yeah you which you talked about earlier

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and I was like Karen is loves the details of crime. So um while sometimes like my mom will be listening to this

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podcast and she has to turn it off cuz like well I like to know the reasons why they were apprehended and this is why they are. So, I like the science behind it.

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And he got apprehended because of semen that was in her throat, right? And because he did proceed to give her herpes.

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That detail alone, I I was like I was taken so back that he actually gave herpes to that many women, too. Imagine

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the amount of women that he Oh, I know. just traveling and trickling around all of all of Oregon. And then I wonder who gave it to him.

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I don't know.

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Okay. So tell me a little bit about Beth though because this was a miracle that came out of this.

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It was a miracle. She survived two bullets to her head, the 32 caliber, and the bullet actually ricocheted off of her skull. And detectives later or um

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they said later in uh medical staff said later that she must have kind of sounds kind of weird, but she must have had a

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thick skull for it to not penetrate all the way through. I love that you said because this was a miracle miracle medical

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um happening that happened with her. But her best friend did die and um Shie Hull did die. But we'll talk about that and

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what her parents did to make a little silver lining in this terrible Yeah. But before before that, let's get to the California murders because that's the big piece I think is, you know,

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after he did the he after he did these two murders.

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It's just like second nature to him after that.

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I know. He's like literally like he has no problem having no and he brings his rape kit kit everywhere. And so this is Donna Eckard

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and Janelle Eckard. She was 37, a single mom. Janelle was only 14 and her sister,

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who was only 13, had stayed after school to go to a basketball game and comes home and finds them both deceased in her mother's bed. They had both been raped,

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um, bound with a surgical tape, and he even put the glasses back on the mom. Oh god.

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So imagine being a 13-year-old and finding your deceased sister and mother like that. So that was his next murder

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and that was in California. So like I said, he was in Oregon then California just like that. So like I said, they're not communicating over.

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I'm sorry. Like I'm my I'm I always like when we do these podcasts because you'll bring in something that I haven't heard before and I'm like the sister was 13 and found them.

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Yeah, I know. So that's probably gonna that scar is going to be imprinted in her brain the rest of her life. Oh, I

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mean I have some therapy therapists if you need them.

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I don't think you would do that much trauma.

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Well, then how in the world did he get caught then, Karen? Like he's like we talked about the murders. How did he get caught?

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So personal pay phones. I don't know if y'all remember those, but they could track they could um get papers out and

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see where he had called. And so they were always girlfriends that they knew that he was um dating.

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Oh my gosh. Okay. um dating multiple women during the killing spree. Um and he really did maintain the the boyfriend

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facade. So he had a spent 32 casing in his raetball bag along with surgical tape that the cops found. Okay.

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And along with the band-aids and that was all found during his apartment search.

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Okay. So he I mean kind of w and pulling all this all together. He literally has been driving up and down I I5 murdering, raping, passing herpes,

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everything.

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And he gets on a pay phone to call his girlfriend. Yes.

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I I mean I'm sorry, criminals. I mean I always this one little thing that makes them slip like that, right?

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All right. So now can you talk about like the trial because you know we always love to like explain like you like you said you'd love to know like why did they get into the trial.

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Right. Right. So prosecutor Chris Van Djk who is actually Dick Van Dijk's son coincidentally. So cool said that he is the most detached

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defendant he's ever seen. Um he uh Beth's devastating testimony. Looked Randy in the eye the entire time. Wasn't intimidated by him at all. Okay.

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Um he was convicted after 3.5 hours of deliberation. So that's it. So the jury goes out, they're like 3.5 hours, boom, we're done. Okay.

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Okay.

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And he gets a life plus 90 years, but he's only convicted for one murder and one attempted murder.

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I know. And you and I talk about this like how I cannot believe it's like 60 assaults and 44 women and he's convicted for one. Okay.

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Which that's the one they could convict him with. 44 came about later in the 80s when they had DNA and DNA was in its infancy way like when this was going on.

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Okay. Okay. That's why Okay, that makes Okay, that makes much more sense. So,

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Lyn, let's talk about the controversy because this is where like you and I had had many debates on the controversy of all of this

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with you know most jurisdictions could not hold like the multiple amount of things that were happening. So with that

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they were like okay they didn't know how to catch him right because like at that point but to your point now they would have caught him because we we would have been cross state lines.

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So you would have been caught a long long time beforehand before all these escalated.

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Okay. And then I also like um that you told me that Oregon was satisfied with the life sentences like they that this

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is this is really important. Talk about this part because I like when you explain this to me too. Well, are you talking about like how all victims didn't get to have their day in court

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because it would have cost taxpayers a lot more money. Yes.

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And so they didn't get their day in court, but they did get I I would think they could sleep better at night knowing that he's off the streets,

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that he's going to be in prison for life and he's never getting out. But I would think as a victim, I would want to look the perpetrator in the eye that did something to me and be in court.

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Um, and be able to say, "Look, yeah, he's point my finger. You're the one. He's the one that did it." And so,

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unfortunately, not all of them got that type of justice.

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Okay. But tell me about his current status because this is the fun part.

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Oh my gosh. I don't know if y'all know that case about Diane DS that killed her. Well, she attempted to murder her three children all for a man that didn't want children. This is in the early 80s.

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and she's been in prison for life and they have corresponded with each other when he first got in prison and so that caused a big media circus and um now he

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writes reporters constantly trying to get interviews. I think they just like to get interviewed because it it breaks up their day in prison.

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So wait, Diane DS and him dated in prison?

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Well, they corresponded. They're both in prison.

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So they both they were both writing each other. I don't know how they they didn't date. They dated in fantasy, but they wrote each other and and and professed

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their love and that they were going to get married. And um this cause a big media circus.

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I mean, that could be a whole new app we create. The two murderers like it like a dating app for murderers.

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Yeah, they have to use their commission commission their commissioner funded basically because we drink a lot of bourbon. We drink a lot of bourbon. That's why we

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think we're funny right now. Okay. But I liked when you told me that he was also married in prison.

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Yes, he did. You know, some of these women just like they I I don't understand it. I just read something on Chris Watson, this woman that wanted to marry him, and I'm like, this is crazy.

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But um yeah, he did get married in prison, but I think he's divorced now from her. Fortunately,

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again, like what is that a good long distance of like relationship? I don't know. I'm going to go see my husband. I How do you have like conjugal visits? Is

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that even They do. with some people and they have a room. They get to be alone for a little while. I mean, there's been I know there's been some that have gotten pregnant.

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Oh my. Okay. Like that's a whole another podcast. All right. Turning out to the positive outcomes. Can you talk to me about like what what why did all this happen, do you think?

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Well, if something happens so devastating like that, um you want to find some good in it. So Beth Wilmont

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became a survivor's rights advocate and she helps others navigate through the legal system. Okay.

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And she turned trauma into helping others. Okay.

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And um Sher Hall's legacy, her parents did a I think a college fund for um workingclass students and a memorial

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that helps students also. So wow. I mean well see that that's when like I love when you like talk about like why this happened and then like

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what like what the whole like the good part of it as well. Okay, then I think can we talk through the bigger picture because you know this is what I got so

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passionate about and so I mean do you mind if I kind of like take no take the range? You know, I after like really listening to you and looking

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at this part and hearing the story, the bigger picture is the no consequences piece for me that's really bothered me.

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Meaning that like you're an NFL player,

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you're a football player, you're amazing. And I told Karen that the I mean, I don't mean to be any disrespectful to Stefon Diggs, but like

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he strangled his chef and he has really had little to no consequences. He got to he got to play in the Super Bowl. Yes,

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the Patriots let him go. And yes, I have gotten into football. So, I'm sorry that we're having to talk about football cuz like how did she know?

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Karen like rolls her eyes at me now. But I literally started to love football just because of drama that's happening now. But if you look at the same like

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situation with Randall, Randy, no consequences. It's kind of like is that even is that's what's happening now

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Karen in our still in our society. I see what you're saying. The parallels parallels with it. I mean, sports is a big deal.

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I know.

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And winning is a big deal. So, um I mean, it's a shame that they did that. I I didn't know about that until you told me about it.

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I've been like obsessed with this. And then then Cardi B broke up with him.

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I mean, yeah, she's Oh, that's someone that Cardi B goes out with. I know. She has a baby with him.

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Yes. I saw her at one of his games prancing around and she's pregnant and everything. He's like, "Just don't talk too much." I was telling her. So,

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okay. So, that's my whole bigger picture to this kind of closing out like why the drink I made the drinks the way I made the drinks because I just feel like he was an all-American wide deceiver.

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And I do think that that's still in this day and age. I think we're still seeing a lot of that, too. Yeah. Times aren't going to change.

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All right, Karen, bring us to a close then. Okay. Well, if you liked who we were,

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Who we were, who we are, who we are.

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That's my line. You're going to get behind the scen cocktail recipes and my favorite thing to do, which is like make fun of like her favorite thing. I realized stay curious,

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stay kind, and always tune in to Deadly Deprades. Cheers, Karen. Cheers.